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Get ready for fewer jobs, permanently

Noble — Thu, 05/14/2009 - 12:26

Apparently a decision was made while I was sleeping to give this economic crisis the official title of "Great Recession." Does that mean this is the worst recession we've ever had? When does a Great Recession become a Little Depression? How do you find the world's tallest midget?

According to Bloomberg, "Full employment" will be redefined by the end of this "Great Recession." Even now, it probably doesn't mean what you think. "Full employment" means an unemlpoyment rate of 5.5%. If I'm not mistaken (and I very well could be here), "unemployment" means "collecting unemployment benefits," which means you fall out of the statistic as soon as your benefits expire.

'Great Recession' Will Redefine Full Employment as Jobs Vanish

May 4 (Bloomberg) -- Post-recession America may be saddled with high unemployment even after good times finally return.

Hundreds of thousands of jobs have vanished forever in industries such as auto manufacturing and financial services. Millions of people who were fired or laid off will find it harder to get hired again and for years may have to accept lower earnings than they enjoyed before the slump.

This restructuring -- in what former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker calls “the Great Recession” -- is causing some economists to reconsider what might be the “natural” rate of unemployment: a level that neither accelerates nor decelerates inflation. This state of equilibrium is often described as “full” employment.

Fallout from the recession implies a “markedly higher” natural rate of unemployment, says Edmund Phelps, a professor at Columbia University in New York and winner of the 2006 Nobel Prize in economics. “It was 5.5 percent; maybe it will be 6.5 percent, maybe 7 percent.”

That has implications for policy makers as well as workers. The Obama administration and the Federal Reserve are counting on the jobless rate to fall to a medium-term equilibrium of about 5 percent as the economy recovers. A natural rate significantly above that would drive up the annual budget deficit -- which will top $1 trillion for the first time this year -- by reducing tax revenue and pushing up spending on unemployment benefits.

I used to listen to Alan Watt a lot, and one of the quotes he repeated often came from Margaret Thatcher's days as Prime Minister when she told Britons, "This is a generation which will never know employment, get used to it."

Now Americans are starting to get this same somber message, in our own particular media-friendly style.

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by the time they're done with

mark baard (not verified) — Mon, 05/18/2009 - 13:49
by the time they're done with us, "working retirement" will sound good. as will euthanasia
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It's the humane alternative

Noble (not verified) — Tue, 05/19/2009 - 03:42
It's the humane alternative to existence! They're going to have to come up with a sexier name for it, though. That reminds me.. they're making a remake of Logan's Run? My last hope is that it gets delayed to 2013 so that the world could end with my last few pristine sci-fi memories intact. Next they'll be remaking ZARDOZ.
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Hemlock anyone? Just

Paul M. Peterson (not verified) — Wed, 05/20/2009 - 06:20
Hemlock anyone? Just kidding. The truth is that whether or not the financial press refers to a given period as a "recession", a "depression" or a "bull market" has precious little to do with whether or not average people can feed their families. It has more to do with stock prices and quarterly profits. That's a very sociopathic interpretation of reality. I mean, throughout the nineties, the media talked about how everyone was getting rich off of the internet. Meanwhile almost everyone I knew was broke. I think what Paul Volcker is really saying is that more people need to be afraid of losing their job in order to forestall the increased demand on employers to pay their employees more. Well, that's my two cents, anyway. Cheers.
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That's right. I come from a

Noble (not verified) — Thu, 05/21/2009 - 04:07
That's right. I come from a place where economic depression is nothing new, and folks already on the streets don't give a rat's ass what is happening to people's 401Ks. That being said, I think there are going to be a LOT of people shook out of their jobs in the next decade. Technology and computers are going to be threatening a lot of jobs we never imagined they could. Consolidation is also eliminating jobs. These jobs are not getting replaced with new ones, except for maybe a handful of programmers from India. Meanwhile, laws and regulations make it increasingly difficult to "do your own thing." The fewer workers that are needed to keep our economic engine churning, the more I fear many people are going to suffer and die, because our economic system can't support them (or makes more profit when we don't support them), though it may be framed as the planet not being able to support them.
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You are correct. There are

Bill (not verified) — Thu, 05/21/2009 - 04:52
You are correct. There are literally not enough jobs to go around, because technology has advanced so far that goods may be produced by automated processes, and companies can be managed (and governments function) by computer algorithm at least to a point. The Democratic-Republican Party has no good answer for this problem that is worldwide and intrinsic to the capitalist system. Overproduction. Overproduction was a feature of the Great Depression. To many goods chased by too few dollars (yen, francs, deutchmarks.) The Democratic-Republican approach is "job retraining" which is a perfect opportunity for both wings of the party to expand government employment for their cronies in the unions and big corporations. They will be "retraining" people for jobs that don't exist and never will. The Democratic wing does this by expanding direct government employment, while the Republican wing prefers to spend tax money on privatised programs run for profit by corporations but PAID FOR WITH PUBLIC MONEY. Both approaches lead to increased employment - but not for us. It leads to increased employment for the entitled few who are connected to the Democratic-Republican elite. have a peaceful day, Bill
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Damn, I have the best

Noble (not verified) — Fri, 05/22/2009 - 08:15
Damn, I have the best commenters here. Great points Bill, and that ties right into the advertising/public relations boom of the 20th century as well, because somebody needs to buy all this crap we continually churn out, and continually buying crap needs to be made into a lifestyle, the dominant lifestyle. I used to think that the military develops all the best, high-tech toys because of their drive to be the top dog on the block. Now I realize that the businesses who really run the show don't want to pay for all that research and development.. much better to let the public pick up the tab and jump into the game once the bugs and profitability are worked out.
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